"The state security noticed me on October 22, 1987. And now I'm going to talk about what an incredible idiot I am. At eight o'clock in the morning, I came to see Čuňas, who was managing the heating in the boiler room of the U Tomáše pub. He gave me a new Vokno, gave me the first Voknoviny that had just come out - he was very happy about it. It was a cyclostyle folder of about five pages. He gave me three copies at once. And I had a videotape of the meeting at Charlie's that I took to somebody in Prague. I had some letters from Jarda Hutka that were of interest to Jiří Gruntorád. I had some tapes that Hutka had sent me from Holland. I had a videotape of the film The Incinerator of the Dead. It was a stupid combination of exile and samizdat stuff. I walk into Jiří Gruntorád's place at 23 Oldřichova Street in Nusle and I walk into the passage and suddenly three guys in suits behind me. So I thought, 'Wow, they must be State Security officers!' I was shaking terribly, but I walked in front of them. I walked up the stairs, they walked a little bit behind me, and I passed the door of the Gruntorád, and I went up two more floors, and I waited there. They rang the bell at the Gruntorád and went in. So I waited a little while until it was quiet. I ran out of the building with the suitcase of stuff and there's a little park about a hundred yards away. So I was sitting there and this was at about nine o'clock or nine-thirty, because I must have been at the Čuňas's place first thing in the morning. So I sat there until about one o'clock, and if I, a fool, had at least gone to the main station or Masaryk station - then Prague center - and put the suitcase in the storage room or something... But I rang the bell with the suitcase full of stuff, thinking that the State Security officers would be out of the apartment by now. Well, Jirka's house was being searched, so Jirka opened the door, barred it and gestured for me to get out. So I started to run, jumping as fast as I could, and I managed to run to the front of the house, and then Lieutenant Hřebík, who was not a State Security officer, but a criminal officer, came running after me and yelled at me to stop or he would shoot. That must have been about 12:30, because at 1:00 the interrogation had already started. So I stopped, he searched me, and in my pocket I had a book about Charter 77 that Ivana Šustrová had put together, so he picked me up, took me to, I don't know where, I think to Školská Street, and there two State Security officers from the youth department picked me up, one was called Polák, he played the good guy, and the other was called Volek, he played the bad guy, and they took me to Bartolomějská, and there followed the most difficult interrogation I've ever experienced in my life. According to the document that survived, it started at one o'clock and ended at 1:30 at night. Without going to the toilet, without there being any break."